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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://doublebassblog.org/2007/09/you-can-teach-professionally-and.html/comment-page-1#comment-16758</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 23:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your post very much.  Regarding teaching instrument instruction, I wish more teachers would perform.  I currently teach at a community music school in Cambridge, MA and I find the teachers who perform regularly (recitals, solo, duo, ensemble) do a substantially better job at preparing their students for performance.
thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your post very much.  Regarding teaching instrument instruction, I wish more teachers would perform.  I currently teach at a community music school in Cambridge, MA and I find the teachers who perform regularly (recitals, solo, duo, ensemble) do a substantially better job at preparing their students for performance.<br />
thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Heath&#8217;s Double Bass Blog &#187; How taking less work has led to more work for me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Heath&#8217;s Double Bass Blog &#187; How taking less work has led to more work for me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 11:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote a post in 2007 at the height of my gigging/teaching/school business where I outlined a &#8220;day in the life&#8221; for me. Though local, it certainly didn&#8217;t seem easy! Happily, I&#8217;ve got a much better balance now, with more time for relaxation, exercise, and enjoying life&#8211;not a bad thing! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James Pelham</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog but please look after your health! (Your timetable is mental.)</description>
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		<title>By: Nick Scales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Scales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jason,
I am so slow to get to read a lot of blogging etc, but I really appreciate the topics and information you are covering!  I think you are right on and I can add one thing for students to think about when they are looking for schools.  If someone is interested in doing a music ed degree (for the RIGHT reasons as you allude to- no fallback!) and they want to perform, there is some self introspection that really needs to happen.  If you are self motivated to the level of Yo-yo Ma, you can major in just about anything and still have great performance career.  For those who say, get a late start, or know that they need more nurturing, but want to do both I would strongly recommend looking at schools that have  a recital requirement for music ed majors in their degree requirements.  This shows a commitment on the part of the school that ALL music majors have to understand what goes into preparing for a recital. I don&#039;t want to over generalize, but I find that these schools tend to be a little smaller with more individualized attention and push for overall musicianship.  Schools that do not have this requirement seem to have a bit more of the &quot;those who can can...&quot; (arrgh!)  I have taught at both kinds of schools and one reason I came to where I am now is that this school does treat ALL music majors the same: music performance, ed, business and therapy all have to be literate musicians to graduate.  At previous schools I have worked, performance teachers who saw any spark of performing ability in an Mus Ed student would encourage them to switch to performance.   I was dead set against it unless the student really didn&#039;t have their heart in the Ed degree.  Some teachers at these schools were more worried about their reputations if Ed majors did recitals, than teaching the students themselves. It also makes no sense to advise a motivated student away what is basically a guaranty of employment after college to try the lottery of performance life, but I see it all of the time. Every college would LOVE to be Julliard, but it does a HUGE disservice to students to push them in a direction where they will have limited success at best.  This also can cause the music ed majors to feel inferior to their stand partners in the college orchestra even though they may hae the same basic gifts.  

On our instrument, we know the stories of folks, myself included, who got a late start in music, and have had successful careers.  With fewer jobs and more students graduating- along with the level going through the roof (Graduate literature when I was in school is now High school and undergrad lit!), it makes sense to be marketable!  When I have students inquire about performance degrees, I try to be absolutely honest about career options and difficulties from the start before I even hear them play.  I am not trying to dissuade them, just prepare them for what is expected of them.  In our school, a lot of our music business, Education and therapy majors are auditioning for major grad schools in performance and moving on that way and many of these folks did not even consider performance when they first came to school... with the right environment, anything is possible.  I hope this rant  makes some kind of sense. You can tell this is a subject close to my heart!!  :mrgreen: Thanks again Jason for keeping this all going!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jason,<br />
I am so slow to get to read a lot of blogging etc, but I really appreciate the topics and information you are covering!  I think you are right on and I can add one thing for students to think about when they are looking for schools.  If someone is interested in doing a music ed degree (for the RIGHT reasons as you allude to- no fallback!) and they want to perform, there is some self introspection that really needs to happen.  If you are self motivated to the level of Yo-yo Ma, you can major in just about anything and still have great performance career.  For those who say, get a late start, or know that they need more nurturing, but want to do both I would strongly recommend looking at schools that have  a recital requirement for music ed majors in their degree requirements.  This shows a commitment on the part of the school that ALL music majors have to understand what goes into preparing for a recital. I don&#8217;t want to over generalize, but I find that these schools tend to be a little smaller with more individualized attention and push for overall musicianship.  Schools that do not have this requirement seem to have a bit more of the &#8220;those who can can&#8230;&#8221; (arrgh!)  I have taught at both kinds of schools and one reason I came to where I am now is that this school does treat ALL music majors the same: music performance, ed, business and therapy all have to be literate musicians to graduate.  At previous schools I have worked, performance teachers who saw any spark of performing ability in an Mus Ed student would encourage them to switch to performance.   I was dead set against it unless the student really didn&#8217;t have their heart in the Ed degree.  Some teachers at these schools were more worried about their reputations if Ed majors did recitals, than teaching the students themselves. It also makes no sense to advise a motivated student away what is basically a guaranty of employment after college to try the lottery of performance life, but I see it all of the time. Every college would LOVE to be Julliard, but it does a HUGE disservice to students to push them in a direction where they will have limited success at best.  This also can cause the music ed majors to feel inferior to their stand partners in the college orchestra even though they may hae the same basic gifts.  </p>
<p>On our instrument, we know the stories of folks, myself included, who got a late start in music, and have had successful careers.  With fewer jobs and more students graduating- along with the level going through the roof (Graduate literature when I was in school is now High school and undergrad lit!), it makes sense to be marketable!  When I have students inquire about performance degrees, I try to be absolutely honest about career options and difficulties from the start before I even hear them play.  I am not trying to dissuade them, just prepare them for what is expected of them.  In our school, a lot of our music business, Education and therapy majors are auditioning for major grad schools in performance and moving on that way and many of these folks did not even consider performance when they first came to school&#8230; with the right environment, anything is possible.  I hope this rant  makes some kind of sense. You can tell this is a subject close to my heart!!  <img src='http://doublebassblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks again Jason for keeping this all going!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<title>By: View_from_above</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: View_from_above</title>
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		<dc:creator>View_from_above</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, you are bringing up very pertinent and often amusing issues.  I have this to say regarding the comment that &quot;it is unwise and unrealistic to expect to be able to both perform and teach at a professional level.&quot;  
     Regardless of whether or not you are going to play professionally a music education major should strive to become the best player you can on your primary instrument.  This means practice as best you can, despite taking all those required courses and secondary instruments.  Jump through the hoops and do what you have to do.  In the summer after your first year of teaching you can practice all you want.  In fact, you can practice EVERY summer and any weekend of the year.  You&#039;ll also be able to ENJOY making music without the pressure of playing that PERFECT audition.    
     I have an undergraduate performance degree and a graduate music ed degree.  I have been teaching instrumental music in a public school for seven years.  Do I teach full-time? Yes.  Do I play professionally? Yes.  
     Finally, we all have to remember that we make music because we (hopefuly) love to play.  Music education requirements are so burdensome that one can really become overwhelmed.  But the people who make those requirements need to really evaluate what is going to help the student really become a good string teacher.  (I say &quot;string teacher&quot; because I&#039;m assuming we are all mostly in the orchestra, not the &quot;band&quot; camp.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, you are bringing up very pertinent and often amusing issues.  I have this to say regarding the comment that &#8220;it is unwise and unrealistic to expect to be able to both perform and teach at a professional level.&#8221;<br />
     Regardless of whether or not you are going to play professionally a music education major should strive to become the best player you can on your primary instrument.  This means practice as best you can, despite taking all those required courses and secondary instruments.  Jump through the hoops and do what you have to do.  In the summer after your first year of teaching you can practice all you want.  In fact, you can practice EVERY summer and any weekend of the year.  You&#8217;ll also be able to ENJOY making music without the pressure of playing that PERFECT audition.<br />
     I have an undergraduate performance degree and a graduate music ed degree.  I have been teaching instrumental music in a public school for seven years.  Do I teach full-time? Yes.  Do I play professionally? Yes.<br />
     Finally, we all have to remember that we make music because we (hopefuly) love to play.  Music education requirements are so burdensome that one can really become overwhelmed.  But the people who make those requirements need to really evaluate what is going to help the student really become a good string teacher.  (I say &#8220;string teacher&#8221; because I&#8217;m assuming we are all mostly in the orchestra, not the &#8220;band&#8221; camp.)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel very fortunate to run across this blog for the first time.  I just restarted my music education as a performance major at a university, and going into my second semester in January, I decided to double major in both performance and music education.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  I took a look at several students who are graduating, or have graduated with performance degrees and they just don&#039;t seem to have any kind of future mapped out, or, in one case, they have an unrealistic goal of practicing a few extra years so they can get into one specific orchestra.  I keep wondering... what are they going to do now to pay the rent?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  I also took a look at the level of performance of a variety of students in various performance organizations.  I really did not see any strong pattern suggesting that performance (classical and jazz studies) majors here perform at a higher level than education majors, or even better than a few students who are not music majors at all!!  I have also taken a look at a number of working pros, and they all are teaching on some level and are really out there doing some kind of marketing for themselves.  Even if I end up not going for the teaching credential itself, I will have a solid base of knowledge in teaching that I can apply to many situations.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; I think its time to bury to maxim that those who can&#039;t teach.  Its silly and outmoded and certainly does not reflect that quality and level of professionalism that has existed in playing and teaching abilities of my music teachers.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Another plus I have going for me... I once received formal training in marketing in the securities field.  I learned that this is a skill that I can apply to music.  My suggestion.. take a course or two in marketing and get your hands on books that have been written on how to be a professional musician.  There are some books that have some very good information that can be applied to building a career.  I am no monster player yet, and I am older than many of my student peers, but I understand the music business enough to know how to get out there playing gigs in a variety of genres. Now I think I am also going to take a look at some kind of part-time teaching job I could get as an education major. even if its only a few hours a week, to get going in teaching activities. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Finally, it surprises me how unwilling many of my peers are to make efforts to market themselves and get out there.  These are the folks who will end up in another field or just end their musical activities.  What a loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel very fortunate to run across this blog for the first time.  I just restarted my music education as a performance major at a university, and going into my second semester in January, I decided to double major in both performance and music education.</p>
<p>  I took a look at several students who are graduating, or have graduated with performance degrees and they just don&#8217;t seem to have any kind of future mapped out, or, in one case, they have an unrealistic goal of practicing a few extra years so they can get into one specific orchestra.  I keep wondering&#8230; what are they going to do now to pay the rent?</p>
<p>  I also took a look at the level of performance of a variety of students in various performance organizations.  I really did not see any strong pattern suggesting that performance (classical and jazz studies) majors here perform at a higher level than education majors, or even better than a few students who are not music majors at all!!  I have also taken a look at a number of working pros, and they all are teaching on some level and are really out there doing some kind of marketing for themselves.  Even if I end up not going for the teaching credential itself, I will have a solid base of knowledge in teaching that I can apply to many situations.  </p>
<p> I think its time to bury to maxim that those who can&#8217;t teach.  Its silly and outmoded and certainly does not reflect that quality and level of professionalism that has existed in playing and teaching abilities of my music teachers.  </p>
<p> Another plus I have going for me&#8230; I once received formal training in marketing in the securities field.  I learned that this is a skill that I can apply to music.  My suggestion.. take a course or two in marketing and get your hands on books that have been written on how to be a professional musician.  There are some books that have some very good information that can be applied to building a career.  I am no monster player yet, and I am older than many of my student peers, but I understand the music business enough to know how to get out there playing gigs in a variety of genres. Now I think I am also going to take a look at some kind of part-time teaching job I could get as an education major. even if its only a few hours a week, to get going in teaching activities. </p>
<p> Finally, it surprises me how unwilling many of my peers are to make efforts to market themselves and get out there.  These are the folks who will end up in another field or just end their musical activities.  What a loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Haskins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Haskins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone here is in agreement that professional players can and should teach. However, no one seems to be noting the distinction between &quot;teaching your instrument&quot; (private studio or college) and &quot;teaching in schools&quot; (elementary through secondary). A teacher certification course is very clearly aimed at teachers going into schools, which will severely limit their availability  to pursue a professional performance career. Auditions usually happen during the school day, you know . . .&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can&#039;t help but chuckle every time I reread the above comment (from anonymous) stating that k-12 teachers &quot;get more respect&quot;. That&#039;s pretty funny. Are they hiring in your district? Yes, the living is better than that earned by an untenured or adjunct professor, and there&#039;s certainly more job security. However, that&#039;s usually because most people don&#039;t want to go into the schools, or if they do go, they get out as soon as they can. Pension be damned.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Seriously, from where I sit, I would say that anyone with a university teaching job gets loads more respect than any K-12 educator  I&#039;ve ever worked with. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The grass is always greener, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone here is in agreement that professional players can and should teach. However, no one seems to be noting the distinction between &#8220;teaching your instrument&#8221; (private studio or college) and &#8220;teaching in schools&#8221; (elementary through secondary). A teacher certification course is very clearly aimed at teachers going into schools, which will severely limit their availability  to pursue a professional performance career. Auditions usually happen during the school day, you know . . .</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but chuckle every time I reread the above comment (from anonymous) stating that k-12 teachers &#8220;get more respect&#8221;. That&#8217;s pretty funny. Are they hiring in your district? Yes, the living is better than that earned by an untenured or adjunct professor, and there&#8217;s certainly more job security. However, that&#8217;s usually because most people don&#8217;t want to go into the schools, or if they do go, they get out as soon as they can. Pension be damned.</p>
<p>Seriously, from where I sit, I would say that anyone with a university teaching job gets loads more respect than any K-12 educator  I&#8217;ve ever worked with. </p>
<p>The grass is always greener, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a performer and teacher with many years experience, I would offer the following extremely unpopular comments:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1.  If you want to have respect and a good living as a teacher, go into the K-12 field rather than college teaching.  You&#039;ll generally get a better salary, benefits, and more professional respect than if you go into the den of wolves that is college teaching, where chances are you&#039;ll be toiling away at the sessional level for less than $2000 per course with no benefits.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2.  Whether teachers or performers, schools of music are churning out waaayyyy to many music majors.  Where on earth are these people going to work?  It&#039;s simple Marxist economics.  With a surfeit of highly qualified teachers and performers on the market, their value will go down.  I already see a trend towards self-employed contractors teaching at college programs with little or no benefits, on year-to-year contracts, to be hired without due hiring process and let go as soon as they cease to become flavor of the month.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Getting back to the subject of your post, a working musician simply has to both teach and perform if they wish to survive.  If anyone tells you otherwise I would question if they have ever been in the real world.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;--Name withheld</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a performer and teacher with many years experience, I would offer the following extremely unpopular comments:</p>
<p>1.  If you want to have respect and a good living as a teacher, go into the K-12 field rather than college teaching.  You&#8217;ll generally get a better salary, benefits, and more professional respect than if you go into the den of wolves that is college teaching, where chances are you&#8217;ll be toiling away at the sessional level for less than $2000 per course with no benefits.</p>
<p>2.  Whether teachers or performers, schools of music are churning out waaayyyy to many music majors.  Where on earth are these people going to work?  It&#8217;s simple Marxist economics.  With a surfeit of highly qualified teachers and performers on the market, their value will go down.  I already see a trend towards self-employed contractors teaching at college programs with little or no benefits, on year-to-year contracts, to be hired without due hiring process and let go as soon as they cease to become flavor of the month.</p>
<p>Getting back to the subject of your post, a working musician simply has to both teach and perform if they wish to survive.  If anyone tells you otherwise I would question if they have ever been in the real world.</p>
<p>&#8211;Name withheld</p>
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